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	<description>I think, therefore I am... Not Religious.</description>
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		<title>By: mageling</title>
		<link>http://copache.wordpress.com/2008/05/24/banana-proof-of-creationism/#comment-171</link>
		<dc:creator>mageling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 16:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ubiquitous Che: The name actually came from a combination of Starcraft and WoW.</description>
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		<title>By: Conservative Insanity Syndrome &#171; The Seeker</title>
		<link>http://copache.wordpress.com/2008/05/24/banana-proof-of-creationism/#comment-170</link>
		<dc:creator>Conservative Insanity Syndrome &#171; The Seeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 15:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 29, 2008 by Copache    First things first: YOU stole MY story, I&#8217;m stealing YOURS! (I know it wasn&#8217;t the same subject matter in Ray [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ubiquitous Che</title>
		<link>http://copache.wordpress.com/2008/05/24/banana-proof-of-creationism/#comment-169</link>
		<dc:creator>Ubiquitous Che</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 07:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh. I mean no offense - but when I read the word &#039;mageling&#039; all I can think about is the old shots of Jon Irenicus talking down to Imoen in Baldur&#039;s Gate 2.

Ahh... Memories.

I&#039;m such a nerd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh. I mean no offense &#8211; but when I read the word &#8216;mageling&#8217; all I can think about is the old shots of Jon Irenicus talking down to Imoen in Baldur&#8217;s Gate 2.</p>
<p>Ahh&#8230; Memories.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m such a nerd.</p>
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		<title>By: mageling</title>
		<link>http://copache.wordpress.com/2008/05/24/banana-proof-of-creationism/#comment-168</link>
		<dc:creator>mageling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 01:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Justin: I want to ask you what you think the difference between micro and macro evolution. Most biologists don&#039;t recognize the difference so I want you to explain to me what you think the difference is.

If gene mutation can cause a &quot;micro&quot; change why can&#039;t a long series of change cause a &quot;macro&quot; change.

Additionally, what would you consider a good transitional species? The fossil record is, understandably, lacking but it does have transitions for many species.

Furthermore, how would you argue for the evidence of common ancestor? There are many gene mutations that are only shared between the great apes and humans. For example, the gene that synthesizes vitamin C has been naturally knocked off by a series of bad mutations. The gene has no current argument for functional use. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.overwhelmingevidence.com/oe/blog/hodorh/evidence_for_common_ancestry_of_primates_and_humans_part_1_vitamin_c_pseudogene&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;more information&lt;/a&gt;

Another broader case for shared ancestry is endogenous retroviruses. I&#039;m not sure that I can efficiently explain what they are so I&#039;ll point you toward a wiki link: &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endogenous_retrovirus&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;more information&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Justin: I want to ask you what you think the difference between micro and macro evolution. Most biologists don&#8217;t recognize the difference so I want you to explain to me what you think the difference is.</p>
<p>If gene mutation can cause a &#8220;micro&#8221; change why can&#8217;t a long series of change cause a &#8220;macro&#8221; change.</p>
<p>Additionally, what would you consider a good transitional species? The fossil record is, understandably, lacking but it does have transitions for many species.</p>
<p>Furthermore, how would you argue for the evidence of common ancestor? There are many gene mutations that are only shared between the great apes and humans. For example, the gene that synthesizes vitamin C has been naturally knocked off by a series of bad mutations. The gene has no current argument for functional use. <a href="http://www.overwhelmingevidence.com/oe/blog/hodorh/evidence_for_common_ancestry_of_primates_and_humans_part_1_vitamin_c_pseudogene" rel="nofollow">more information</a></p>
<p>Another broader case for shared ancestry is endogenous retroviruses. I&#8217;m not sure that I can efficiently explain what they are so I&#8217;ll point you toward a wiki link: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endogenous_retrovirus" rel="nofollow">more information</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ubiquitous Che</title>
		<link>http://copache.wordpress.com/2008/05/24/banana-proof-of-creationism/#comment-164</link>
		<dc:creator>Ubiquitous Che</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 23:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and I could very easily be convinced that evolution is untrue by the discovery of bunnies in the cambrian - or something similar. Homo sapiens in the jurassic period would be a good one too. Anything like that, and I&#039;ll be convinced that evolution is toast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and I could very easily be convinced that evolution is untrue by the discovery of bunnies in the cambrian &#8211; or something similar. Homo sapiens in the jurassic period would be a good one too. Anything like that, and I&#8217;ll be convinced that evolution is toast.</p>
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		<title>By: Ubiquitous Che</title>
		<link>http://copache.wordpress.com/2008/05/24/banana-proof-of-creationism/#comment-163</link>
		<dc:creator>Ubiquitous Che</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 23:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;There is not a single strand of ‘reason’ that will interfere with one’s personal religious beliefs if the reason for… reason… happens to be for anything other than inquiry into religious truth.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Voltaire was right - it &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; difficult to free fools from the chains they revere. But I remain cautiously optimistic that it is still &lt;em&gt;possible&lt;/em&gt;.

This might make me a fool in your eyes, but I just can&#039;t let myself be that cynical about believers. They have ten fingers and toes, and brains not dissimilar to mine. Just because I don&#039;t know of a way to do it yet doesn&#039;t mean it can&#039;t be done, and I am looking.

My question to Justin is just my latest little experiment. I&#039;m looking forward to his response... I want to see if he&#039;ll dodge the question, claim that he would be convinced by something that evolution doesn&#039;t actually predict, claim that he would be convinced by something that is impossible to achieve, or if he&#039;ll accept that he might be a bit more closed-minded than he would like to admit.

If it&#039;s something outside of those four outcomes, I&#039;ll be very surprized indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>There is not a single strand of ‘reason’ that will interfere with one’s personal religious beliefs if the reason for… reason… happens to be for anything other than inquiry into religious truth.</p></blockquote>
<p>Voltaire was right &#8211; it <em>is</em> difficult to free fools from the chains they revere. But I remain cautiously optimistic that it is still <em>possible</em>.</p>
<p>This might make me a fool in your eyes, but I just can&#8217;t let myself be that cynical about believers. They have ten fingers and toes, and brains not dissimilar to mine. Just because I don&#8217;t know of a way to do it yet doesn&#8217;t mean it can&#8217;t be done, and I am looking.</p>
<p>My question to Justin is just my latest little experiment. I&#8217;m looking forward to his response&#8230; I want to see if he&#8217;ll dodge the question, claim that he would be convinced by something that evolution doesn&#8217;t actually predict, claim that he would be convinced by something that is impossible to achieve, or if he&#8217;ll accept that he might be a bit more closed-minded than he would like to admit.</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s something outside of those four outcomes, I&#8217;ll be very surprized indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Copache</title>
		<link>http://copache.wordpress.com/2008/05/24/banana-proof-of-creationism/#comment-159</link>
		<dc:creator>Copache</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 22:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is not a single strand of &#039;reason&#039; that will interfere with one&#039;s personal religious beliefs if the reason for... reason... happens to be for anything other than inquiry into religious truth.

No one raised creationist in any form will ever question their religion based on any evidence and often ignore the evidence. At least, unless they&#039;re seeking truth. If they&#039;re seeking truth, they can accept the evidence as-is and let it be as a part of their religious view of life without distorting it to those views, or they can reject their religious view in favor of evidence, as I did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is not a single strand of &#8216;reason&#8217; that will interfere with one&#8217;s personal religious beliefs if the reason for&#8230; reason&#8230; happens to be for anything other than inquiry into religious truth.</p>
<p>No one raised creationist in any form will ever question their religion based on any evidence and often ignore the evidence. At least, unless they&#8217;re seeking truth. If they&#8217;re seeking truth, they can accept the evidence as-is and let it be as a part of their religious view of life without distorting it to those views, or they can reject their religious view in favor of evidence, as I did.</p>
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		<title>By: Ubiquitous Che</title>
		<link>http://copache.wordpress.com/2008/05/24/banana-proof-of-creationism/#comment-157</link>
		<dc:creator>Ubiquitous Che</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 22:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Evidence that leaves me to conclude without a reasonable doubt.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Obviously.

But so far, all you&#039;ve said is that you&#039;re capable of changing your mind if and only if something comes along that is capable of changing your mind.

But if nothing is capable of changing your mind, then you&#039;re still as closed minded as someone who says that they&#039;re not capable of changing their mind.

So what I want to know is - what would something that is capable of changing your mind even look like. Be specific.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Evidence that leaves me to conclude without a reasonable doubt.</p></blockquote>
<p>Obviously.</p>
<p>But so far, all you&#8217;ve said is that you&#8217;re capable of changing your mind if and only if something comes along that is capable of changing your mind.</p>
<p>But if nothing is capable of changing your mind, then you&#8217;re still as closed minded as someone who says that they&#8217;re not capable of changing their mind.</p>
<p>So what I want to know is &#8211; what would something that is capable of changing your mind even look like. Be specific.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://copache.wordpress.com/2008/05/24/banana-proof-of-creationism/#comment-155</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 21:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evidence that leaves me to conclude without a reasonable doubt.  As of now I see no good evidence for macroevolution.</description>
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		<title>By: Copache</title>
		<link>http://copache.wordpress.com/2008/05/24/banana-proof-of-creationism/#comment-153</link>
		<dc:creator>Copache</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 14:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pigs flying, three days of darkness, planet x appears, pokemon spring to life, a crocaduck is found... Stuff like that.</description>
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